Metblogs cofounder Sean Bonner shares how the LA Metblogs community discovered if one of their own was in jail.
How is a community blog post different than a newspaper article or even a newspaper blog post on the same subject?
If the Twitter updates on Sean's original post are collaborative reporting (are they?), what does this mean for community blogs and authorship? Is this community journalism?
UPDATE: Pulse member MiseryXchord points us to the Buzznet community liveblog on the arrest discussed in the video. For more details, see Buzznet's timeline with photos, video, and Tweets; the comment stream is another way to watch the community weigh in--
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collaborative reporting would mean multiple authors
and this is still posted by one person.
the versions of the post need bylines to follow your argument. maybe the usernames in the comments do that.
i don't think people cared about getting credit or how we found out, people wanted to know where mark was.
What is community journalism?
If the Twitter updates on Sean's original post are collaborative reporting (are they?)
It is collaborative networking. It seemed to me that all the "reporters" where members of the same circle of people. I think that "collaborative reporting" should be more used when people don't know each other and all report their views and impressions on the local happening event, being that information processed by one or more recipients.
what does this mean for community blogs and authorship?
Well! That is an issue with blogs and any piece of content on the web.
If you think that a blog requires people mentioning it (or at least its text contents) I think this could be "Fair Use" and good for the blog owners' propuses.
Even if the source is not mentioned, eventually, it will hit the crawlers due to many references to the contents or the original URL itself.
On Sean's case I think that the idea was to promote the fact in order to achieve a result and not to get credit for promoting it, right?
Is this community journalism?
I was taught that News have a format: What, Where, Who and, if possible, Why.
Being in Twitter hardly respond to that questions in a single text.
Is this (http://twitter.com/panasonicyouth/status/994447267#) journalism? I doubt!
I read the original article and it seems to me that Twitter was used as much as phone calls.
If you mean that the community as a source of information to a blogger as being "community journalism", it can be. But nowadays even "regular journalism" cite blogs (good example cited at http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2002/12/56978) and get information from viewers using cell phones, email, twitter and all the other available internet and media tools.
I think that community journalism is "journalism" made by persons that are not professional journalists, with means that are not traditional "journal" and that do not follow the full editorial rules and organigram (editor, reviser, journalist, etc et al) but use somehow a "journalistic" way of write the article, which Sean's one is a good example of it.
Is an internal school newspaper "community journalism" or just "regular journalism"?
What do you intend by "community journalism"? The same writen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_journalism ?
thanks, Lopo. I like your idea of collaborative networking for
purposes of the story.
Why do you think it's important for collaborative reporting that the reporters don't know each other?
I think Sean sees himself in this situation as the person who can update his post--so maybe it's not about not taking credit, but more about facilitating the updates from everyone--do you agree?
Community journalism is for all of us to define--often, it means local issues from one geographic place, but I'm wondering if it could also describe the process.
And I do think it's interesting that phone calls were also important in this situation (rather than texts to individuals instead of Tweets).
Great point about being able to find this information--maybe that's the best reason for community sites being the places to keep current on situations--
Great example of Community Journalism...
... understood as the process can be seen at http://www.nowpublic.com/
And I don't think that the reporters should not know each other. It just seemed to me that the issue was raised by people that knew each other and one of them add a problem, reported and someone with a good blog posted it. Around a popular blog you usually have a community and that community usually react if one has an issue.
About how a blog can rally a community I have here, really near, a great example. It is in portuguese and is about education.
The blog: http://educar.wordpress.com/
A newspaper article about the blog and its author: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aUxs5aYqeD4/SRWay9a3bII/AAAAAAAAE4g/GELyryjvmL...
To make the story shorter, teachers and education in general are having a big clash with the portuguese government and this blogger started to write some articles about the situation. In no time the education community started to gather around it.
The blog started to be used to post some articles related with its phd in Education History but soon he started to write about what was happening and his own ideas. The blog jumped from a mere 200 daily visitors to 18,000 and last March it had more than 550,000 visitors related mostly to the organization of a major rally with more than 100,000 teachers in Lisbon streets and many other at the same week in other smaller towns.
Well! If someone wishes to translate the notice it explains better :)
great example, how could the energy be sustained?
It sounds like, in this example, a community found a place to talk on this blog. What happens for the blogger when the issue cools a bit or when other issues might be highlighted?
Do conversations like these necessarily become an archive of the energy around the issue? Or is there more life in those conversations and where does it go?
the original idea to create
the original idea to create the blog was to discuss the education in general. Even if the issues with the government ceased (which I truly doubt) the community is already there now so keeping it will be easier.
And as the author says discussions are not only about education. He always put some posts on comics books and other non-related subjects... and commentators some times also diverge the discussion from the original post subject to things not at all related.
The first mega-rally (half of all country's professors marching on capital main avenue) was organized mostly in the comments of this blog.
The last mega-rally (even more people than the first one) date was also negotiated by the author with the professor's independent platform and the unions so the rally could be done in one date only.
So, I think it has more life besides the digital one :)
Response to question about community blog post....
I am someone with an unusual perspective. I was in journalism, mostly daily newspapers, for 32 years and spearheaded one of the earliest news Web sites in the country (ohio.com). I have watched as conventional journalism has changed drastically -- not for the better, I might add -- and the world of Internet communities has exploded -- for the better, I'd add.
What I think we are witnessing is a transformation of the dissemination of information. That's not exactly a new observation there, but the question I always have in my mind is how do we know whether the new material -- posted on blogs and community sites -- is accurate, fair and real? Is it true?
Traditional media sources had, despite their shortcomings, the advantage of professional editing and fact-checking. It had an editing process: How do we know this? Is it fair? Does it make sense? Have we talked to as many people as possible who have direct knowledge? Have we examined the potential contradictions? Do we have supporting material?
So to me, a community blog post is something that does not carry the weight of a traditional news organization. It must, by nature, be taken with a grain of salt. I presume that the writer or the photographer or the videographer is NOT a professional and so, therefore, has not followed a process to ensure accuracy and fairness and quality.
But that does not take away that it can be compelling and, in some cases, more true, more real than what we see in conventional media.
And one additional point -- the processes used by traditional news media can sometimes constrain the truth. How? Rules of slander or libel; the news paper's own rules of ethics -- what it will publish and what it will not; the news organization's desire to get "both" sides; and, sometimes, that the information will cast an advertiser in a bad light -- that type of story is, in fact, sometimes set aside or subject to extraordinary scrutiny or gutting in order to be "fair." Rules and practicalities sometimes get in the way of truth.
All this is longwinded context to my answer to your perfectly straight forward question...
The difference between a community post and a newspaper article and a Web posting on a news site and a newspaper article itself is this:
The newspaper article has had more rigorous editing and vetting; sometimes this will result in the exclusion of unsupported detail that would aid in understand and, in the need for balance, an unbalanced presentation of truth.
The community post is apt to present a one-sided view and has not had the advantage of professional news gathering experience and the editing/vetting process. However, sometimes the one-sided view is the clear expression of a witness to fact.
The news Web site posting done by a staffer carries much of the same professional stamp as the newspaper article and can often include much more information that allows for complete understanding of a story. .... If the piece is done by a citizen with no vetting whatsoever, I'd argue that's the worst of the lot because you, as a reader, don't immediately know that and assume it to be true.
ggevalt, don't you think a reader on Metblogs understands ...
Gregory, thanks for weighing in. Certainly training in journalism is valuable and important.
What do you think, though, about the community accumulating evidence and facts?
In this case, Sean--as the author of the blog--was editing that information, posting it as it was sent, sorting through Twitter streams, making calls.
Don't you think that a reader on a community blog site understands more about how the information is gathered and presented because they might participate in their comments or in sharing information?
A great advantage in this community blog model is being able to deliver updates more quickly--
Not sure of your headline....
...think you had an unfinished thought. Would love to hear the other half.
By the way, my name is Geoffrey, not Gregory. Bad enough I have a weird last name, but I also have an unusual first name.
Fact is, I was responding in a general sense; more philosophic than specific. Sorry.
I've tracked back on all the links and would say that I am confused as to what actually happened and how. I like the immediacy and energy, but there was nothing there that gave me the full facts. For instance, what's the truck driver's perspective?
Here's a good point made though, in the commenting exchange, there was a piece about how the LA Times reporter called police who said they didn't think there were any arrests... Now I'll say this about the whole newsgathering experience that has changed DRASTICALLY since 20-30 years ago... the requirement of going to official spokespeople who a) were not there, b) divulge next to nothing and c) don't want to say anything for fear of affecting public image. Big pain.
But those are just cursory responses to a quick look at all the material to which you are linking. Let me look more closely and respond again later. And I ask this question, are my comments of any use? Does it add to the discussion here? I am, obviously, new here and am not entirely sure of the ultimate purpose ... are you hoping to shape new directions, ideas from all this (if so, I'd be happy to contribute if you feel my ideas worthy)...
Also, I have a whole new context to the exchange, which I'd love to get into at some point, which is the project I run which is all about building a community of young writers... And our next frontier is how do we get them to really "report" what they are doing and thinking and experiencing. We have not yet set upon a strategy, but we have created a Web venue for an incredibly vibrant community that is exchanging all sorts of ideas....
geoff
Geoffrey, thanks, yes, glad you're here
And apologies for the mix-up with your name.
Your comments have really added to the conversation so far, and everyone is new in the community! We'll figure it out together.
In this situation, it is very confusing as to what happened when, which is why the timestamp on Tweets is helpful--
It would be great to hear your ideas for a writer community; can you share more about how that's related to what happened with Metblogs here?
Kristen....
....Thanks for the quick response.
Let me do this. Let me really drill down, learn more about MetBlogs and all the links and come back and make a more intelligent response to your questions.
In general, what I am seeking to do is figure out how we can galvanize teens in our area to write about their experiences in a more journalistic way -- to write about what they do, what happens to them, AND what they observe. Nothing so exciting as a police arrest (I imagine) but more about day-to-day community life.
For instance, in 2007 we did a project where students in a youth orchestra went on a performing tour in China. We gave workshops, equipped them with digital recorders and video cams and they uploaded to our server each night; at this end we organized the work and then posted on a special Web site. Fantastic experience -- parents and friends got to witness the experience as it was happening, students got to see what each other was thinking and experiencing and REACT to each other's observations and it actually changed how they experienced -- they paid more attention to detail.
So that was a special situation. But how do we get them to do it for, say, the opening of the Twilight movie...or running in the regional cross country meet ...or having their art portfolio reviewed by a college admissions officer ... or how they experienced the election of Barrack Obama ... and how people reacted to a protest in school.... that sort of thing.
So I think it relates.
But let me get more informed about the case you have presented. And perhaps, we should start another string on the idea I'm presenting above.
(I'll post over the weekend.)
cheers
geoff
P.S. I'm presuming this is a Drupal installation. I like the design and setup. Is this something that's available in drupal.org or is this a customized version...
Presuming well...
Most of the things seemed to me to be done with regular Drupal modules. The design is not available, I think.
yes, this is a Drupal site
The Knight Foundation funds the Knight-Drupal Initiative and many projects in the Knight News Challenge also use Drupal (for those readers new to open source CMS work, Drupal is a content management system many nonprofits use to build community sites).
We are very pleased with Development Seed, the firm that built this site, and their work, and from building this Pulse site a few new Drupal modules are part of the community!
Kristen...
UPDATED.... I went to a highspeed broadband set up and got a chance to look at the Metblog entries and links. I've rewritten this reply...
I admire the effort. A real issue, I think, is the fact that I had to seek out a very fast Internet connection to be able to load up the material. A large percentage of the population still has slow DSL or, gulp, dial-up. I think people forget that and, frankly, that closes out a lot of folks who don't have the means to have the best equipment and fastest connections and, of course, it closes out a lot of rural folks.
My comments now remain pretty much the same....
The material was hard to follow, hard to verify. Even in the video there's a reference to "confirmed" information and problems getting adequate information because "lawyers are involved." A mainstay problem in the mainstay media. But I found the jumble of links and posts confusing; nearly impossible to figure out what actually happened. And I pose this, if no one is reading newspapers these days, how many people are going to go through the hassle of following a bunch of links to find a 64th-turn of a confusing event?
As to the initial questions... Community journalism, in my mind, is always reporting within a community, about a community that captures the truth of that community. It's great to have more voices entering the fray to provide information -- observations, knowledge, experiences. But I DO think there is a need for someone to pull it all together, to make sense of it, to determine what is real, to ensure that basic journalistic processes are followed. To me what will become MOST valued in this explosion of information on the Web will be the material that is well vetted, high quality and vibrant.
geoff